We are living in interesting times. Especially around 360 photography, we as a community have been rather patiently twiddling our thumbs for more than a decade, waiting for the rest of the world to catch onto what an insanely great idea 360 and VR photography really is.
Apple invented QTVR, then abandoned it. Countless startups have come and gone, trying to bring 360 photography to the mainstream.
Then Oculus happened, and this has sort of jumpstarted a rennaissance for all stuff 360.
We, as 360 photographers, sort of gave up calling ourselves “VR Photographers” in around, well, 2007 maybe? Because no one knew what it meant.
So, for those of us who have been here for the long game, it is really interesting to see who is showing up to the party, now that 360 photography is suddenly cool.
The 360 video space is interesting, and there are a few interesting rigs being built. But the one that this blog post is about, is so outrageous in so many ways, that it has started a flame war of epic proportions. This novella-length facebook thread is so great, full of sharp insults, accusations of all kinds (many of which are completely justified) that I thought it would be a tragedy to see it disappear down the “facebook memory hole”.
For those of you who aren’t willing to dive all the way down, suffice to say that this camera rig has not been built; it should not be built; if it was built, no one in their right might would want to use it; the advertised resolution is wrong by nearly an order of magnitude; there would be holes in the resulting panoramic image; and a myriad of other problems. It is nice to see that someone is enthusiastic enough to try to build something like this, but it would be nice to see some more measured claims of performance, as well as actual examples, before this monstrosity is released upon the world.
But in the end, I hope Smashing Al does build an array camera rig, because the world needs more 360 cameras. And the fact is, a certain amount of ignorance is helpful, to shield you from the reality of how hard it all really is. “Stay hungry, stay foolish”. Right? 馃檪
I only hope that Smashing Al can manage to dial down the stuff that is so obviously false, and I wish him the best of luck!

Smashing Al

September 23 at 11:37pm

Hi everyone, we’re unveiling our professional VR camera system today called EYE, at Techcrunch Disrupt.

42 Blackmagic Micro Cinema (or Micro Studio) cameras, 24 microphones, global sync, global gps timecode, global remote control and more…

Main site: http://360designs.io

Facebook Page – http://facebook.com/360designsVR

We hope you like it!

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    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole What’s this no GoPros?

    • 1September 23 at 11:38pm

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al No GoPros

    • 2September 23 at 11:39pm

    • Daniel Silver

    • Daniel Silver Another “World’s First”.

    • 1September 23 at 11:40pm

    • Kevin M眉ller

    • Kevin M眉ller How big is this? Looks pretty nice

    • September 23 at 11:40pm

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole Headmount?

    • 5September 23 at 11:40pm

    • Mike Franz

    • Mike Franz Hows the Parallax? Any sample footage?

    • 1September 23 at 11:41pmEdited

    • Alexandre Regeffe

    • Alexandre Regeffe Well, what about stitching ?

    • September 23 at 11:42pm

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Alexandre, we’re just doing the hardware (and some camera control software).

      • September 23 at 11:50pm

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan … and totally missed the fact that our rig won’t even cover the full sphere, so we’re going to leave that to someone else to sort out.

      • 1September 24 at 9:17am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al In part you are correct, we are relying on others to provide stitching solutions, and we won’t ship a product unless we have a viable stitching solution in place. There are some very smart people working on these challenges at present, there may be others who are reading this now… We are positive about the direction things are going – can’t really say more…

      • September 24 at 12:15pm

      • Clyde Christopher

      • Clyde Christopher >”Hi everyone, we’re unveiling our professional VR camera system today called EYE, at Techcrunch Disrupt.”

      • Question… how do these “micros” Sync? I understand they have global shutter, but with 42 of them?…. Have you built some sort of sync connection via the expansion port? What level of accuracy is the syn compared to traditional Genlock?

      • I’d be a bit skeptical if they were less than genlock clock synced especially for S3D 360

      • September 26 at 5:31pmEdited

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Clyde – thanks for the question. We are using an AJA sync generator, and a custom wiring loom plus custom J-boxes, to distribute tri-level sync signal to each camera via the expansion port of the BMMCC (or BMMSC).

      • 12 hrs

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Gerald – In regards to covering the sphere, the cameras in our rig are rotated 90 degrees, so the horizontal FOV is used (about 98 degrees)

      • 11 hrs

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Bullshit.

      • 5 hrs

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Avihay Bar

    • Avihay Bar

    • September 23 at 11:42pm

    • Bernard Custard

    • Bernard Custard it looks portable, no? Wow!!

    • 1September 23 at 11:43pm

    • Jeffrey W. Hagerman

    • Jeffrey W. Hagerman Any real world photos?

    • September 23 at 11:44pm

    • Pierre Friquet

    • Pierre Friquet Ando Shah

    • September 23 at 11:45pmEdited

    • Arthur Balluff

    • Arthur Balluff

    • September 23 at 11:47pm

    • Will Mason

    • Will Mason Do you have any sample video?

    • September 23 at 11:48pm

    • Joergen Geerds

    • Joergen Geerds how many rigs of this have you build and used?

    • 1September 23 at 11:49pm

    • Alexandre Regeffe

    • Alexandre Regeffe So we have to stitch 24 streams … mmm… is it a stereoscopic rig ?

    • September 23 at 11:52pm

    • Rami Tohme

    • Rami Tohme Funny, you’re using our Noa Neal music video recorded withFreedom360 rig and GoPro cameras to illustrate your page.

    • Rami Tohme's photo.

    • 11September 23 at 11:52pm

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole Nearly as good as my deign Smashing Al 聽聽– has a slight overheating issue to sort then i’m launching worldwide.

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    • 22September 23 at 11:55pmEdited

    • Jason Fletcher

    • Jason Fletcher Sexy!

    • 1September 23 at 11:55pm

    • Alexandre Regeffe

    • Alexandre Regeffe Space odyssey, Tom …

    • 1September 23 at 11:56pm

    • Tom C. Hall

    • Tom C. Hall this is a joke right? I mean black magic can’t ship a camera to save their life, let alone 300 of them.

    • September 23 at 11:58pmEdited

    • Alexandre Regeffe

    • Alexandre Regeffe We can organize the first 42 streams stitching world contest if u want

    • 5September 23 at 11:59pm

    • Richard Broo

    • Richard Broo What motivated you to use so many cameras?

    • 3September 24 at 12:00am

    • Jason Fletcher

    • Jason Fletcher Golly the tech specs are insane!http://360designs.io/eye/tech-specs/

    • Tech Specs | 360 Designs

    • The EYE professional-grade VR camera system incorporates up to 42 4K (or 2k) Blackmagic cameras,鈥

    • 360DESIGNS.IO

    • 3September 24 at 12:00am

    • Vinicius DhomCarvalho

    • Vinicius DhomCarvalho Luciano CorreaSee Translation

    • September 24 at 12:04am

    • John E. Kroll

    • John E. Kroll parallax …

    • 3September 24 at 12:06am

    • Silvio Marco Brovero

    • Silvio Marco Brovero They say Inexpensive design?

    • September 24 at 12:08am

    • Luis Flores

    • Luis Flores I love it so much. The ultimate challenge.

    • 4September 24 at 12:10am

    • Alexandre Regeffe

    • Alexandre Regeffe Jaunt busters ?

    • 1September 24 at 12:10am

    • Georgy Molodtsov

    • Georgy Molodtsov wow wow wow

    • 1September 24 at 12:11am

    • Joergen Geerds

    • Joergen Geerds job security for data wranglers and HD manufacturers! (and focus pullers)

    • 11September 24 at 12:23amEdited

    • Matt Rowell

    • Matt Rowell “World’s first.” Seriously? What about Nokia OZO, Jaunt’s Neo, GoPro Odyssey? Is there any honestly in marketing anymore or do we just put whatever we want on our websites these days?

    • 1September 24 at 12:24amEdited

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Matt – to be fair we don’t consider those professional VR cameras, and nor are any of them actually available to order.

      • 1September 24 at 12:25am

      • Matt Rowell

      • Matt Rowell I don’t know if Nokia and Jaunt would agree. They are as “real” as your product right now, which you have said yourself hasn’t even been tested. But I suppose “World’s Third” doesn’t really have a nice ring to it.

      • 2September 24 at 12:29am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi matt – fair enough. Deciding what represents a professional camera is always going to be subjective, and beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder I suppose (ourselves included). FWIW, for us ‘professional’ means interchangeable lenses, industry standard components, and an open and modular architecture.

      • 1September 24 at 1:33am

      • Tonaci Tran

      • Tonaci Tran Is our rig professional enough? hehe. but really, mad props to build the beast rigs. don’t let anyone drag you down.

      • Tonaci Tran's photo.

      • 2September 24 at 1:54am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Thanks Tonaci. Sweet rig

      • September 24 at 2:04am

      • John Myrstad

      • John Myrstad Shmashing Al:

      • Nice design. It was the first thing I thought when Jump was announced.

      • This is a design idea as I understand, with a 3D rendring as illustration and a spec list.

      • How much is tested so far?

      • Is sync tested?

      • Is parallax tested? ( all you need is two cameras )

      • Is there a current stitch software able to stitch it?

      • In which situations is it better than other rigs?

      • 1September 24 at 2:20am

      • Jim Geduldick

      • Jim Geduldick Smashing Al to be fair GoPro cameras are professional tools so if you want to cut down to the grit on the claim. Our rigs will be available starting with Odyssey in November to LAP program members. Lets not get caught up in your claims. State some facts GoPro VR rigs are and will be out soon we have content shot on them and readily available to view. Making claims of systems and cameras you havent even tested or used is what some would call “vaporware”

      • 2September 24 at 5:50am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan A professional camera is a camera in the hands of a professional.

      • This is just a useless hunk of metal.

      • September 24 at 9:28am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Gerald your opinions have been made widely known throughout here, and are based on a miscalculation in regards to camera orientation.

      • 11 hrs

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Nope. Orientation as per your rig’s design.

      • 5 hrs

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Georgy Molodtsov

    • Georgy Molodtsov We all know that al our inventions will be used here

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    • 12September 24 at 12:25am

    • Kevin M眉ller

    • Kevin M眉ller Sadly the bmcc just offer 30 fps in global shutter. unsure emoticon

    • 3September 24 at 12:27am

    • Luis Flores

    • Luis Flores Kevin Nailed a huge issue so huge its not even attractive at its price point

    • September 24 at 12:28am

    • William Douglas McMaster

    • William Douglas McMaster Can footage from this rig be used with the jump assembler?

    • September 24 at 12:30am

    • Nilo Enrique Canales Bernales

    • Nilo Enrique Canales Bernales Whit the right budget many ideas can be develop. Amazing setup.

    • 2September 24 at 12:35am

    • Sacha Griffin

    • Sacha Griffin I don’t understand.. if it works at all.. where the video?

    • 3September 24 at 12:42am

    • David W Gorman

    • David W Gorman Craig Martin

    • September 24 at 12:49am

    • Thiago Cardoso Pires Oliveira

    • Thiago Cardoso Pires Oliveira Rafael Drelich Valentim e a gente de rs a cosmosSee Translation

    • September 24 at 1:17am

    • Cno Lee

    • Cno Lee Did u guys manage to hack the bmcs to shoot at 4 3?

    • I tried ordering 12 of these… Guy on the phone said 3 month eta.

    • September 24 at 1:39am

    • Konrad Ziaja

    • Konrad Ziaja https://youtu.be/HWUQzbYUqGA

    • Telsij – There’s too many of them!!!

    • YOUTUBE.COM

    • 9September 24 at 1:53am

    • 斓滌灛鞗

    • 斓滌灛鞗 GoodSee Translation

    • September 24 at 2:25am

    • Jim Geduldick

    • Jim Geduldick How can you sell a rig based off a camera system that hasn’t even been released or R&D ? Just honest question.

    • 10September 24 at 2:55am

    • Roham Rockafella

    • Roham Rockafella Is it just me or is this a Cad drawing, since the BM cameras are not even avail to high profile people who are sponsored by BM lol

    • September 24 at 2:57am

    • Stefan Pernar

    • Stefan Pernar Irresponsible to ‘launch’ a system that only exists as a render. Thumbs down.

    • 2September 24 at 3:16am

    • Andrew MacDonald

    • Andrew MacDonald And… How does one work on a 168k file?

    • 3September 24 at 3:22am

    • Glenn Snyder

    • Glenn Snyder Adam Amaral

    • 1September 24 at 4:15am

    • Nozer Turel

    • Nozer Turel although different but the rig looks so much similar to Google’s street view rig or IMC Deodeca or PTGreys Ladybug camera system which is in a rosette configuration.

    • 1September 24 at 4:47am

    • Nozer Turel

    • Nozer Turel what would be the spec of this rig, sensors, and data size

    • September 24 at 4:48am

    • Bud Hallock

    • Bud Hallock Hmmm….. Craig Dwyer

    • 1September 24 at 4:58am

    • Eli Jarra

    • Eli Jarra another world’s first…

    • 1September 24 at 6:21am

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Pity the fools who fall for this.

    • September 24 at 6:45am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al You’ve made a serious error in your lens calculations – this is discussed elsewhere

      • 11 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Oh wait. “32 by 32 gigapixel resolution”? Take my money already. Hahahaha. What a bunch of lying cheating scam artists. Can we ban this joker?

    • 3September 24 at 6:50am

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      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Gerald. I see this is ambiguous. It wasn’t meant to imply 32 x 32 gigapixel.

      • September 24 at 8:51am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan It’s not ambiguous Alx. It’s an outright lie.

      • September 24 at 8:51am

      • Tom Poole

      • Tom Poole Gerald. Calm down mate and let them try it out. If it doesnt work they might learn something. If it works they’ll also learn a whole lot.

      • 2September 24 at 9:58am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan I’m perfectly calm thanks Tom, but when I see bullshit, I’ll call bullshit.

      • Un 1September 24 at 9:59amEdited

      • Tom Poole

      • Tom Poole Maybe they should put it on kickstarter. If it has any legs folks will back it, if not they’ll have to rethink the design. Thats R&D. Dont throw folks under the bus for trying new thins out.

      • 2September 24 at 10:01am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan You do your R&D before announcing and pricing a product Tom, not after it.

      • This is just another example of a guy jumping on the VR bandwagon looking to make a quick buck.

      • Clearly doesn’t have the first clue about what he’s doing, and is just pimping around his useless rig in the hope that some VC will throw a bunch of money at him.

      • 1September 24 at 10:06am

      • Tom Poole

      • Tom Poole He can do what if he wants. You have every right to feedback on his concept/design. That’ll help that design. If folk choose to back it thats up to them.

      • September 24 at 10:10am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Tom – did you miss the part where he’s actually offering this for sale, and making fraudulent claims for it?

      • September 24 at 10:20am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Gerald, it’s a serious statement to accuse us of ‘fraudulent claims’, and I’m trying to understand your hostility towards us.

      • I believe you are referring to this graphic (attached) on our website.

      • Since I don’t want you to feel we are trying to mislead anyone, the original plan for this graphic was for the text to say “32mp x 32mp = Gigapixel Resolution”, which would be a true statement, if not for the slightly confusing factor that it isn’t what we now actually believe the resolution to be (more like 0.4 gigapixel).

      • I’ve discussed some of the challenges in calculating resolution in general, in a separate thread and discussion with you, so please bear these in mind for the following.

      • The reason for this ‘mistake’ It turns out is rather mundane.

      • We could not fit the “32mp x 32mp =” text onto one line of text, it ‘broke to another line’ in WordPress, so our designers edited it to “32 x 32”, not realizing people might actually believe we are trying to claim 32 gigapixel by 32 gigapixel resolution, which I agree would be an insane claim if we meant it (which we don’t).

      • We’ve made other mistakes too on our site, and we’ll be fixing this one and those soon.

      • Smashing Al's photo.

      • 1September 24 at 11:25am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Why 32×32? What do those dimensions represent?

      • September 24 at 11:27am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan “which would be a true statement, if not for the slightly confusing factor that it isn’t what we now actually believe the resolution to be (more like 0.4 gigapixel)”

      • It’s nothing like 0.4 gigapixel.

      • And yes – fraudulent claims are a serious business.

      • 1September 24 at 11:29am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Gerald, we will add a a disclaimer to our site regarding specifications and typos. In the meantime, please consider our site ‘not 100% finished or perfect’ at this point. I can only assure you we have no intention to mislead anyone.

      • 1September 24 at 11:37am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan I’ll write the disclaimer for you if you’d like?

      • “This is a parody site.”

      • 1September 24 at 11:38am

      • Jeffrey Martin

      • Jeffrey Martin This is a steaming pile of donkey excrement

      • 1September 29 at 4:08pm

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Ned Weisman

    • Ned Weisman I will NOT manage the media from this rig!

    • 6September 24 at 7:12am

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Incidentally, on his site, Alx Klive (that’s Smashing Al’s real name), mentions that the lens used is the Rokinon 7.5mm fisheye.

    • The Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4k has a sensor size of 13.056mm on the horizontal, and 3840 pixel resolution when shooting 4k.

    • With the lens providing a horizontal FoV of just under 103 degrees on the sensor, that gives a horizontal resolution of 13,400 pixels.

    • So IF this thing were to ever actually exist (and that’s one hell of a big IF), the theoretical resolution of the equirectangular that it would produce would be 13,400 by 6,700.

    • BUT…

    • The amusing thing however is the configuration of the rig. The vertical field of view of this camera/lens set-up is only 56 degrees (and that’s assuming you can actually make use of the entire sensor height, which seems doubtful given BM only list 16:9 video formats as output).

    • Look at the rig. Horizontally, not a problem – effectively 8 cameras in landscape will cover the 360 degrees with ease (actually with about a 55% overlap).

    • Vertically? Oh look – the cameras are arranged in portrait orientation. Fine for the 360 degrees around on the second and third axes.

    • But what about the bits in the middle? Basically you have just 4 cameras in portrait orientation attempting to cover the full 360 degrees with just a 56 degree field of view per camera.

    • What a load of crock.

    • 8September 24 at 9:10amEdited

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Oh wow. All those words without actually addressing the key point in my post.

      • Not to mention the fact that you’re just coming out with even more bullshit. You didn’t choose to reveal the plans in this group first, before anywhere else.

      • You showed it at Disrupt, no?

      • Even if we do assume that someone is going to be stupid enough to buy you 42 of the cameras when they come out, your rig is not going to work.

      • And if it is your own money? Look on the bright side. I’ve just saved you probably close to $100K that you would have wasted before finding out for yourself that you have not the slightest clue as to what you are doing.

      • 2September 24 at 10:35am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Aaand now he’s deleting posts.

      • September 24 at 10:52am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Hi Gerald, thank you very much for your detailed observations and for taking the time to make these calculations and for your feedback.

      • It is helpful to be challenged on things, and this is why we chose to reveal the plans for our camera in this particular Facebook group before anywhere else. As a former professional cameraman and videographer, I value any input from fellow professionals more than anything else.

      • Firstly, I must correct a misunderstanding which I sense coming from your reply, and say the rig does exist 聽聽You can view our prototype build photos at http://360designs.io/building-a-vr-camera-prototype…/and I would welcome any of your comments on those.

      • Secondly, the camera has been designed 1. to be modular and flexible (so you can change the lenses and camera layout to suit your needs), and 2. with computational photography approaches to stitching in mind (but not compulsory).

      • With computational photography stitching, it’s an intriguing question as to ‘what is the effective resolution of a rig’?

      • There’s a decent argument that when a computer interpolates/hallucinates the data from two overlapping 4k sensors (for example), the resolution is the sum of those two sensors’ resolutions, rather than the sum less the overlap. There’s a decent case to argue the former since the computer is using ALL those pixels to interpolate/hallucinate the final image. It is for this reason we have chosen to state a resolution that is essentially the sum of the sensors.

      • As for the coverage question, you asked about the ‘bits in the middle’ part. We feel there will be sufficient coverage with 7.5mm lenses, all across the sphere, if computational photography is employed for stitching. If using regular stitching (1 panorama for each axis) we believe there will also be sufficient coverage, as you yourself suggest, to create ‘3 regular panoramas’, which would lend themselves to all kinds of experimental ‘playback’ possibilities.

      • If the 7.5mm lenses do not prove to be sufficient for total coverage in all applications, we can swap them out for something wider, and any VR filmmaker or cinematographer can do the same. That’s one of the benefits of (what we hope) is a highly adaptable and useful-to-professionals system.

      • In any event, we are very willing to modify and improve the design, if it proves necessary, or if people like yourself give us valuable feedback that highlights any flaws.

      • I do appreciate your comments and hope this in some way assuages your concerns.

      • September 24 at 10:59am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Laughable.

      • Absolutely laughable.

      • September 24 at 10:59am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Alx – you’re actually posting, then on seeing my reply, deleting your post, to get rid of my reply, and then reposting? Really?

      • Hahahaha.

      • 1September 24 at 11:03amEdited

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Gerald, nothing nefarious I assure you. Mine was a long reply to your comment. On 3 occasions during this, I hit the return key instead of shift-return (to make a new line), and this posted an (unfinished) comment which I immediately deleted and restarted.

      • September 24 at 1:22pm

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Codey Dingfield

    • Codey Dingfield For the low low payment of 3.6 million

    • 1September 24 at 9:23am

    • Aitor Zaldua

    • Aitor Zaldua I want to read deeply the specs, but just the first thought that I have reading some of the comments is that is true, poor DIT, the real challenge for VR video is not to put together 100 cameras in a rig for avoid parallax, is how to transfer all this data, don’t cook your computer, work with uncompressed files for a nice finishing and put all together into your pipeline.

    • 7September 24 at 9:33am

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Just a word of warning for anyone who has replied to any of Alx’s comments. He is deliberately deleting his own posts when he doesn’t like a reply, and then reposting his own post.

    • When you delete a post that has replies, all replies disappear without any notification.

    • Basically, unless you’re on the ball, you’d have no idea that your post had ever been deleted by him.

    • 1September 24 at 11:22am

    • John Myrstad

    • John Myrstad Thats why i cant find my questions I wonder?

    • September 24 at 11:34am

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Gerald, your comment is extremely misleading. I wrote a long reply to your comment, and on 3 occasions I hit the return key instead of shift-return (to create a new line). Since the post was not nearly complete on each occasion this happened, I deleted the reply and started again.

    • 1September 24 at 11:40am

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Nothing nefarious!

    • September 24 at 11:42am

    • Luis Flores

    • Luis Flores Wait.. I just realized, this does not physically exist? This is only a rendering? Or can i buy / rent it? What is the purchase rate and rental rate please. Thanks.

    • 2September 24 at 11:50am

    • Johnny Johnson

    • Johnny Johnson Al I find your concept intriguing, you should be applauded for trying. It doesn’t appear to work to me but we can’t say for definite Gerald Donovan. It is a bit daft announcing pricing before a finished product though.

    • Out of interest, why did you need this many camera positions, why didn’t you go with 6-12 and a smaller parallax?

    • 2September 24 at 12:17pm

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan We can say for definite that it won’t work Johnny. Because three 56 degree high cylindrical panoramas wrapped around the x, y and z axes of a sphere will not cover the sphere, and will leave 8 sizeable holes.

    • 6September 24 at 12:29pm

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al The cameras are rotated 90 degrees Gerald. Horizontal FOV with a 7.5mm lens is 98 degrees, not 56 degrees. So there will be no holes in the coverage as you suggest.

      • 112 hrs

    • Simon Miya

    • Simon Miya Have you ever shot any 360 video before? What is your experience with building camera rigs? Can we see some of your previous work?

    • 5September 24 at 4:08pm

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al Yes Simon. I’ve been shooting 3D and other experimental footage for 30 years, including 6 years as a professional TV cameraman and filmmaker for Bravo! and CNBC. More importantly my team has extensive 360 filmmaking experience. Here’s my Vimeo page – it’s mostly family stuff though… https://vimeo.com/smashingvids

      • Alx K

      • Former cameraman/videographer and Technology Reporter for CNBC Europe,鈥

      • VIMEO.COM

      • 112 hrs

    • Ethan Schur

    • Ethan Schur Is it 2D or can it do stereoscopic 3D? The cameras don’t look to be aligned in a stereo configuration since the ones next to each other seem to diverge outward

    • September 24 at 10:24pm

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al It’s designed primarily for computational photography stitching, so yes it can certainly do stereoscopic 3D

      • 11 hrs

    • Stefan Pernar

    • Stefan Pernar Rich Kickbush

    • September 24 at 10:46pm

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole Smashing Al i like your rig, so best of luck on making it happen

    • 3September 24 at 10:49pm

    • Skyler Baird

    • Skyler Baird How do I like this 42 times?

    • Ha I was thinking of using the same cameras but with about 1/10th the number of cameras.

    • 1September 24 at 10:53pmEdited

    • John E. Kroll

    • John E. Kroll maybe more evenly spaced cameras?

    • September 24 at 10:52pm

    • Aleksandr Reznik

    • Aleksandr Reznik why not just 4-6 cameras?

    • 3September 24 at 10:55pm

    • John Myrstad

    • John Myrstad The company Smashing has a idea which the media company Affinity Media publish as 360Design.io

    • You are all these companies, right Smashing Al?

    • September 24 at 10:58pmEdited

    • Hans Keesom

    • Hans Keesom Looks large so lot’s of parallax.

    • 1September 24 at 11:46pm

    • Corey Jaskolski

    • Corey Jaskolski Wow. Rough crowd! How about we just let people try stuff and the shit the sucks will fail and the stuff that is great will rise up? It’s not like you have to buy it or worship it as your new god. It’s just someone trying to move the ball forward. Smashing Al: shine on you crazy diamond. Get crazy, make mistakes, and maybe make something beautiful. Oh and for the parallax comments with this many sensors you could certainly do better than Jump and Jaunt at attempting to synthesize a light field for close to zero parallax stereo for any arbitrary interoccular distance inside the sphere.

    • 8September 25 at 3:25am

      • Stefan Pernar

      • Stefan Pernar Irresponsible ‘invest in us’ schemes like this are hurting the industry. Too many high profile ones and it is my business that will suffer as I will be guilty by association a la ‘yeah right – another crazy VR scheme, no thanks’. The industry has to police itself here and quick.

      • 4September 25 at 5:07am

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al We’ve not asked anyone to part with any money – this is not a Kickstarter campaign.

      • 11 hrs

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Andrew MacDonald

    • Andrew MacDonald True , ha ! Anyway pretty soon we will all look back at this and remark , remember when we used to take a round world , resolve it on multiple flat sensors and then stitched it all back together as a round world . …Yah that was nuts . There is some more elegant way to do this , just around the next corner .

    • 5September 25 at 3:35amEdited

    • Joergen Geerds

    • Joergen Geerds Corey Jaskolski: it is quite common in this industry to put something on paper, and drooling investors will stand in line shouting “shut up and take my money”, no matter if it works, or if it doesn’t work. If it fails (most likely), tons of money is down the drain, and nobody has gained anything, other than the people doing it walking away with some extra cash. the rest of the industry is then robbed of an opportunity, and has to suffer through the fall out, or has to spend quite some energy continuously debunking stuff that is just plainly wrong (see for example the blog at http://elevr.com/stereo-polygons/ debunking 3D 360, and I don’t know how many times I had to explain to customers what kind of terrible idea 12 gopros in a plainly wrong config are, and as Gerald Donovan said, it will not work, and I agree (disclaimer: I build and sell working 360 rigs)).

    • 21September 25 at 4:55amEdited

    • Sam Rohn

    • Sam Rohn folks like joergen and gerald who have many years experience designing, building, testing and working with 360掳 video arrays do know what they are talking about here when they say this array cannot function as promised due to parallax and fov issues etc, they are not “speculating”

    • every year, several aspiring entrepreneurs decide to jump on the 360掳 bandwagon with minimal research into basics of 360 photo/video and image stitching etc other than “this looks easy, lets make a cool looking cluster of cameras” and they prep a nice PR release and website and CAD renderings, maybe a prototype, etc for their venture cap buddies and TED organizers etc, kickstarter is littered with such vaporware…

    • i’m sure someone will build a functional 360掳 video array w blackmagic micro cameras when they become available, but the configuration shown here aint it….

    • 22September 25 at 11:24amEdited

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Firstly, I鈥檓 very grateful to everyone who has been supportive of what we are trying to do. It鈥檚 really much appreciated.

    • There鈥檚 been a fair amount of discussion over whether the rig will work as advertised, and I鈥檇 like to address some of these concerns, on behalf of our startup company.

    • We are advertising a single axis 16 camera rig (which I think everyone can agree will work) and a high end 2/3-axis rig, which we鈥檙e saying has the capability to capture stereo 360, in 鈥榓ll 3-axes of head movement鈥. We鈥檝e advertised it as a modular rig, with an open and flexible architecture, and we鈥檝e said that the computational photography software to stitch 3-axis video is forthcoming.

    • While I have great respect for the people whose views have been shared here, I do respectfully question their experience in regards to computational photography, given that such software is not currently in the marketplace.

    • We鈥檝e talked with companies, who have extremely smart software engineers, developing highly sophisticated computational software approaches to vision and stitching, that at their most basic level interpolate (artificially create) left and right views from any position for 360 video. These approaches 鈥榳ant鈥 (visual) data as much as possible, from different positions, up to practical limits.

    • Having been involved in these non-public discussions, I can say that I am extremely confident our rig will work as described, and there will be software available in the future that can make sense of our 3-axis design. If you use the camera now to film a one off important event, or something with a budget demanding some degree of longevity, you鈥檒l be able to use the single axis footage immediately, and the other 2-axis of footage is there, future proofed for later. It doesn鈥檛 need to be processed now, just stored for future use.

    • We have said the 3-axis approach is 鈥榦ptional鈥 and we are offering a single-axis rig with expansion capability, that will have an out-of-the-gate price of around $45,000 (with cameras). We expect this price to come down as production methods become streamlined. You can add nadir and zenith cameras too, in your own preferred configuration.

    • I personally believe that an infinite number of designs and arrangements for VR rigs will (one day) be computable. You鈥檒l dump the footage in, and software will work out the camera positions automatically, making the best output possible. A multi-camera rig will at that point 鈥榖lend into鈥 a single camera – stitching will be eliminated.

    • What the 鈥榦ptimum鈥 design for 360 stereo capture is, nobody knows. It鈥檚 likely none of us will know for a few years, and entirely new technologies and approaches will come and go, just like they did in the early days of film and TV.

    • In the meantime, there are forward looking people who want to capture stereo 360 content now, preserving it for future generations, and they don鈥檛 want to wait until 鈥榯he ultimate鈥 VR camera has been designed.

    • Thanks for all the comments – both negative and positive. We鈥檙e encouraged that something we did has received attention, and I personally value the views and opinions that have been shared.

    • 3September 26 at 6:26amEdited

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan Laughable.

      • You’re questioning people’s experience with computational photography (I didn’t see you at the Fraunhofer Institutes presentation of the first lightfield video at NAB – were you there?).

      • Let’s go through a few of the questions that – despite hundreds of words of fluff – YOU haven’t addressed. Some are, rather obviously, rhetorical.

      • 1. Have you actually built a functioning rig with cameras?

      • 2. Have you been able to extract a video from the full sensor of the Blackmagic Micro Studio Cameras, or are you only getting a 16:9 video feed (because if the latter, then it won’t be 56 degrees field of view you’ll get, it will be 42)

      • 3. Do you have software that enables someone to create the claimed output from your system?

      • 4. Can you name a single one of the companies that you claim to have had discussions with? If so, please provide the contact name at that company so that they can validate your claims.

      • 5. Why did you originally claim gigapixel resolution for your system, and have since downgraded that claim by a factor of 2.5x?

      • 6. On what basis are you claiming that you get 400MP resolution from a sensor and lens combination will provide a less than 100MP equirectangular?

      • 7. Can you provide any links to established companies in this field who “count” pixels in the same way that you do?

      • I’ve got about another dozen questions – but let’s start with those.

      • Specific answers to the specific questions please.

      • September 26 at 7:29am

      • Torsten Hemke

      • Torsten Hemke One question more about parallax?

      • September 28 at 9:42am

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Nilo Enrique Canales Bernales

    • Nilo Enrique Canales Bernales I really wish you success.

    • 1September 26 at 6:44am

    • Cno Lee

    • Cno Lee Why r Ppl are so hostile? How about we just wait and see. A lot of work has obviously has gone into this. It’s not just a plastic 3d print that u throw some go pros in.

    • 3September 26 at 6:45am

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Because we don’t have to wait and see Cno. We don’t have to wait and see to be able to prove that this rig simply will not work.

    • September 26 at 7:05am

      • Cno Lee

      • Cno Lee Even so. We need ppl experiementing with the tech. If it was a mistake maybe they figure out ways around it? I dono. Point was… No reason for being hostile considering its not our money on the line. “Constructive feedback”.

      • 1September 27 at 5:14am

      • Gerald Donovan

      • Gerald Donovan This is NOT an experiment. This is someone falsely claiming to have a solution, and promoting sales of that solution.

      • September 27 at 6:02am

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Gerald, if you are correct, I will personally come and buy you drinks at the Sky Bar. Legitimate offer

    • September 26 at 7:07am

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan A drink? Put your money where your mouth is. Make it worth my while.

    • September 26 at 7:22am

    • John E. Kroll

    • John E. Kroll hmm – somehow remind me of ‘google trekker’ – ‘looks impressive’ but does not work, at least not for objects closer than 1 km”’

    • but now there is ‘jaunt’ – I believe it when I see it, sounds so synthetic to me – like a CGI-rendering – hmm

    • September 26 at 7:44am

    • John E. Kroll

    • John E. Kroll but even with a ‘jaunt approach’ it looks far far away from a proof of concept rig to me

    • September 26 at 1:28pm

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan No prizes for guessing what this represents.

    • Gerald Donovan's photo.

    • 9September 27 at 8:43am

    • Nuno Madeira

    • Nuno Madeira In this case, “less is more” . I don’t understand above technical subject, if this rig was to take “gigapixel video” or “film”. In ergonomic aspects i think will be dificult to deal. If the objective is to have the dinamic range of a cinematic camera why not before this “epic rig” experiments for example some few canon 1ds-c 4K with a nice wide lenses vs 40 cameras. So when i see this type of rigs I ask if this projects are well thinked in subjects like data deal, energy, ergonomy etc.. Btw all the best for the project and hope to see any aplication in the real world of this rig.

    • 5September 29 at 6:01am

    • Fr茅d茅ric Pierron

    • Fr茅d茅ric Pierron The picture is great. Did you make an estimate about the whole price. What is its weight ? And what is it for ? Do you have a field of interest that needs so much cameras ? How will you manage the stitching ? Do you have access to a Cray supercomputer ? wink emoticon

    • Whatever, great job !

    • 1September 29 at 9:05am

    • Jeffrey Martin

    • Jeffrey Martin Can someone please maybe Sam Rohn or Gerald Donovancopy this whole thread before it disappears, I will publish it as a blog post, this is pure gold 聽聽聽聽I’m on mobile now

    • 2September 29 at 4:17pmEdited

    • Jeffrey Martin

    • Jeffrey Martin Also can I wear this camera rig as a cock ring?

    • 5September 29 at 4:17pm

    • Jason Diamond

    • Jason Diamond this is lunacy

    • 2September 29 at 4:31pm

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole Smashing All why don’t you put the above on Kickstarter at some point. You may have jumped the gun with the “release” that’s fair comment but who else has done a 42 cam array. Not many to my knowledge. It might struggle to get any backing, depends if you pitch it as an R&D product or pitch a 42 cam all singing/dancing camera.

    • Seems you’re getting a pretty good kicking here but take the pain and make a cheap cam prototype would be my advice. I think the feedback from the wise and good here is all valuable, a 42 array aint so crazy but considering your design maybe the camera is not the best choice and you could do better with something better with an off the shelf Sony sensor. .

    • What’s interesting over an above the optical coverage with the sphere, is near most everyone doing multicamera arrays are relying on the single point of storage per camera. The big functional requirement to solve i feel is finding a way to write the files to a single place. GoPro will probably leave you with 16 cards with their Jump. What a “ball ache” that will be for everyone. Cloud stitch or no cloud stitch it will take time and effort and major processing power.

    • If you think of how an IP CCTV DVR works then in principle that would be a much nicer option than 42 or 16 GoPro storage cards. That’s a design to aim for. Has anyone got a way to do it?

    • I’m sick of reading post from folks just trying to put the boot in on your project. I like innovation, trying new things out and pushing it on design. By trying things out, we learn what to do, what not to do. For me, that’s what this tech is all about.

    • I’m just a BBC schmuck who spent 拢450 on ebay for a plastic mount and some plastic cams for my stuff so what do i know but it’s all good as long as long as with your design you are up front with folks re your progress and clear on the aims of what your project is about. To be honest you learn from trying stuff rather than just talking about it or putting it on a website.

    • There are plenty of vaporware designs and technologies that go to Kickstarter and die on the arse despite getting many thousands of pounts sent from four corners of the planet. But Kickstarter is the place where if folks want to risk their money on your R&D then there is no risk of pissing people off. If they want to back you, they can. If not, rejig your project, try again. I’ve seen other people pitch the impossible and i watch as laptop warriors en mass put the boot in moaning like little children that they didn’t get a christmas present.

    • Credit to anyone who tries new things. That’s always a good thing in my book. Try new stuff out but be straight with people when your developing new things and that will win you more friends/help.

    • If… you get a prototype working, i suggest you go film Gerald Donovan on your first shoot. That would be a good first test shoot for you.

    • 4September 29 at 7:54pmEdited

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Tom, I agree individual SD cards are a pain, although at least better than individual micro-SD cards. At least the SD cards do offer longer record times (up to 5 hours with ProRes HQ = much less swapping), are easier to handle, more reliable, and cheaper. It鈥檚 tough to solve this problem with discreet cameras or even custom sensors, and it鈥檚 expensive. Even the new Jaunt Neo camera is still using individual cards.

    • In regards to Kickstarter, we鈥檙e privately funded and I somehow think we鈥檇 come in for more stick if we were to do a Kickstarter campaign, although we did consider it at one point for a lower cost more mass market rig design. At the moment we鈥檙e not asking anyone to put their money at risk at all, since we鈥檙e not planning on selling (or renting) a single camera, without a proven final production design, and some great test footage to share.

    • On the pre-announcement point, I accept it may have been on the early side to announce, however a couple of points鈥 1. Almost every other VR camera company has done the same鈥 2. We were frustrated by other companies who were showing off 3D camera renders, with no pricing, no planned availability to regular people, and few if any technical specs鈥 3. Our prototype has been fully built and ready since June鈥 We were expecting the BMCC鈥檚 in July鈥. We had test shoots planned for August鈥 and our original business plan was to announce this rig fully tested in September. For competitive reasons we decided to stick more or less to the announcement timeframe (and acknowledge it was untested).

    • We鈥檝e put our camera design out there, we鈥檝e acknowledged its untested, and I am fully aware there will need to be tweaks and changes for the production version. That may mean a different lens for example, a smaller diameter rig (this is planned regardless), and the results of working with software partners and VR filmmakers for test stitching.

    • Thank you for the supportive words, we鈥檒l certainly be open about our progress, and I look forward to sharing more in future!

    • 1September 29 at 9:30pmEdited

    • Joergen Geerds

    • Joergen Geerds SD cards come in 128GB, and MicroSD come in 128GB size, with a couple of exotic cards offering higher capacity. Not sure where the “SD cards do offer longer record times” is coming from. On the other hand, KS campaigns will just flood you with money, there is practically nothing you can’t sell on KS.

    • 2September 29 at 9:47pm

      • Smashing Al

      • Smashing Al SD cards typically offer around double the capacity of MicroSD cards for the same ‘value in pricing鈥, simply because they are bigger physically. I.E. 128GB MicroSD cards are currently reasonably priced value wise, 256GB SD cards are reasonably priced value wise. There is an expensive 200GB MicroSD card on the market now, just as there are expensive 512GB SD cards available. It all comes down to physics鈥 and space!

      • 1September 29 at 10:30pmEdited

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole Kickstarter is about selling an idea not so much the end product sometimes. If folks choose to back it, that’s their freedom their decision. Also their risk it seems if the project owner banks the cash and runs for the Bahamas to do his R&D. Is there any protection from that i wonder?

    • Folks pitching crazy ideas sometimes struggle to get a dime, others pitch mad stuff and land thousands. What i like about the concept is it shares the risk. There will be no flood for everyone Joergen Geerds not even a trickle for some of the projects on there. Doesn’t help when folks put the boot in before you’ve even got starter either. What good comes from that?

    • If you choose to “buy into” an idea then maybe with help you can help the crazy cats make it a reality. Plenty of crazy people with off the wall ideas fail repeatedly but then there are some who do some really great stuff too. Who can say for sure who is who!

    • Many ideas fail, but it’s good to try mad things sometimes. That’s what innovation is all about in my book. The straighter you are with folks on the “journey” the more backing you’ll potentially get i guess.

    • The thing that really pisses me off is when folks get in the way of trying things out. Try stuff out. Learn. Make better things etc much better.

    • Sorry to ramble on. I will shut up now

    • 3September 29 at 10:27pmEdited

    • Nuno Madeira

    • Nuno Madeira i just think about this in my recent experience , i’m now in a post production of a 360掳 music video filmed with RED with a 17mm lens , raw files are of each scene of 4mts are 30/60 gb and dealing with all the data processment is hardcore for any high-end computer with a 8k 360掳video project, has i see here is near 400gb the project, i can’t imagine the stich and the deal of data of so many cameras but is faraway of my knowledge. i just can understand with some hardcore storage and toons multiple cpu’s processing all the data.impressive. btw my experience is nothing compared with some bigger projects

    • 2September 30 at 12:24amEdited

      • Sacha Griffin

      • Sacha Griffin I saw a 360 rig with reds too.. It got a lot of press, but there never was any sample video. I assume that must have ended in failure as well. Check out the GearVR app called Condition One. It’s got the best stereo video I’ve seen so far.

      • 111 hrs

      • Nuno Madeira

      • Nuno Madeira I will post here when done, hope this month, we are finalizing, but its not a rig, filmed each scene individually and stitched in post

      • 111 hrsEdited

      • Michelle Kenobi-Osorio

      • Michelle Kenobi-Osorio Sacha Griffin Nuno Madeira I’ve seen some fantastic 360 work (complete) on Red rigs configured by the brilliantLuis Flores, including projects by Mini and NFL.

      • 5 hrs

      • Jeffrey Martin

    • David Staunton-Lambert

    • David Staunton-Lambert Call this a hunch but I think it a parody project and the commenters are an unexpected bonus walk-on part to the ‘concept’, which is why it has run on so long.

    • 11 hrs

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole Make it happen Smashing Al

    • 111 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Oh god. The spamming joker is back making multiple posts claiming I’ve not oriented the cameras correctly in the projection I knocked up.

    • Look at the render at the top of the thread. As you look at it, the cameras mounted on the “equator” are in landscape orientation. The cameras mounted on the “meridians” are in portrait orientation. (Or possibly vice versa, it doesn’t matter.)

    • The projection is correct. This rig won’t work as designed with the specified lens and sensor.

    • 15 hrsEdited

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan But since he’s back….

    • Who’s doing the software for the computational photography Alx?

    • 5 hrs

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Gerald – we’re under NDAs, so I’m unable to say. You are wrong about the orientation, the landscape view is perpendicular to the axis

    • 5 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan Why did you originally claim gigapixel resolution?

    • 5 hrs

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Does this mean you now accept that you were actually wrong about the coverage, your claim of ‘holes’, and the entire basis (seemingly) of your malcontent?

    • 5 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan I’m simply going through the questions you’ve ignored.

    • Are you going to answer them?

    • 4 hrs

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al wow – I think we’re done here Gerald. I’d say it’s been entertaining but you’ve spread a lot of misinformation about my business mate.

    • 4 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan You’re doing a great job of spreading misinformation about your business all by yourself. Hardly need my input for that.

    • “VR Video Resolution

    • 3 x 17,280 x 1920 w/ BMMCC

    • 3 x 34,560 x 3840 w/ BMMSC4K

    • * Maximum possible, w/o overlap, using appropriate lenses”

    • Bullshit in, bullshit out.

    • 4 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan “Focus

    • Manual, remote-manual (wireless or wired), or auto-focus options”

    • Do tell us about the auto-focus options.

    • 13 hrs

    • Gerald Donovan

    • Gerald Donovan “The EYE professional-grade VR camera system incorporates up to 42 4K (or 2k) Blackmagic cameras, 24 professional-grade 鈥榮ilicone ear鈥 microphones, flexible control systems, and a novel 3-axis design, to capture the entire world around the camera at near gigapixel resolution.”

    • I struggle to see how that can even be described as anything other than an outright lie.

    • 3 hrs

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al It’s never ending… crikey!

    • You鈥檝e made a lot of accusations mate, yet you can’t even acknowledge the simple error made in your calculations (above), which was the basis for dozens of negative posts by you on how our rig would never work, and which now makes anything you say appear questionable at best. I’ve tried to be polite about it, but most of what you鈥檝e said in this thread is wrong, misinformed or is misunderstanding of the potential.

    • At one point you posted a picture of a globe, supposedly pointing out 鈥榟oles鈥 in our coverage, which is now shown to be completely incorrect. Just take a chill pill and focus your anger somewhere else please. I鈥檓 tired of responding to your trolling and negativity. Nobody鈥檚 forcing you to buy any of our rigs. Life’s too short man!

    • 12 hrs

    • Jeffrey Martin

    • Jeffrey Martin Smashing Al Sorry but the burden of proof is on you – you are making false claims, without any evidence to back it up, it’s as simple as that.

    • 50 mins

    • Jeffrey Martin

    • Jeffrey Martin i’m blogging this whole thread today

    • 48 mins

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole I’m booking a cage for Smashing Al and Gerald Donovanhttp://uk.ufc.com/

    • 47 mins

    • Jeffrey Martin

    • Jeffrey Martin The thing is, this thing is so offensive to people who are actually building cameras (gee who would that be) that it needs to be put in the permanent record of a real blog, not flushed down the facebook memory hole. It is so wrong on so many levels… optics, engineering, usability, marketing, etc. etc.

    • 42 mins

    • Tom Poole

    • Tom Poole The thing is, he can do what he likes and if folks moan and bitch and kick him in the head, he can still do what he likes. The PR/release might have been a little misguided, the engineering/optics may need time and learning but let him try it and don’t just punch him in the head ‘cos you feel offended. It pisses me off when folks don’t let other folks try stuff out. It could all be Black Magic PR stunt for all we know…who can say for sure Smashing Al?

    • 30 mins

    • Stefan Pernar

    • Stefan Pernar If this is not turning into VR’s pets.com it sure won’t be for lack of potential.

    • Pet Advice, Ideas & Guides

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    • 17 mins

    • Smashing Al

    • Smashing Al Jeffrey, you are of course free to do as you wish. If you know a lot about computational photography, then feel free to challenge the (concept) design, and I鈥檒l respect your views. There will be changes to the specs between now and the production version, and test footage made available before it goes on sale. If you鈥檝e been following the thread closely then you鈥檒l know this.

    • 8 mins

    • Jeffrey Martin

    • Jeffrey Martin You need to stop saying things that aren’t true. After you do that, we are all on the same side. Keep on keeping on

 

2 Comments

  1. Zenalien says:

    What a thread !!!

  2. Smashing Al says:

    I’d love to say I enjoyed participating 馃槈